USF and Conference Realignment Aftermath
by Leavitt Town on Sep 19, 2011 4:06 PM EDT
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I exchanged a few emails with a few college football bloggers about where USF stands in the Big East Apocalypse, and quite frankly, as almost everyone knows, it's grim.
The ACC is flat out not interested. They have 2 member institutions in Florida and don't see value in adding USF, which many of us already assumed. There was talk of FSU looking into the SEC, but the ACC upped the buyout to $20 million.
I asked, "If there was any scenario, in which the SEC would take a look at USF?" I pointed out that the ACC buyout was raised. If Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, and State went to the PAC16, the B1G managed to grab Missouri and Notre Dame, and the ACC grabbed Rutgers and UConn, who would be available for the SEC16? My thoughts were, well not much.
The short answer is: less than zero percent. The SEC wouldn't give USF an actual look. Although USF is in a attractive media market, the problem is U of Florida's footprint well covers the Tampa market. Florida wont want us in, and it's just not a good fit.
If a B1G16 and SEC16 were to come together, I was told the ACC $20 million buyout would be a hurdle, but the SEC and B1G would jump that hurdle to get the teams they want the most. So, our best long shot option would be for the SEC to grab FSU and open a potential spot in the ACC. The problem there is Florida doesn't want FSU in he SEC and so long as UF, UGA, and USC are keeping out instate rivals, it's not going to happen.
Our best bet is the Texas schools going to the PAC16 and joining up with the Big 12 remnants to become the 5th conference. Keeping some form of the Big East or Big 12 conference affiliation will ensure an auto-bid until the next BCS contract cycle comes around.
I was told there was an ultimate doomsday scenario in which Texas holds together the Big 12 remnants and adds a possible TCU and Houston where USF could be left out in the cold, with WVU filling in the SEC14 and UConn and Rutgers in the ACC. There would only be Cincy, USF, and Louisville left. We'd be back in CDOA. The ultimate nightmare.
Sorry, I know this has all been posted around the boards a million times, but I had some help evaluating the scenarios with outside perspective. The situations are obviously fluid and this info is only as relevant as the next move, but it's some insight.
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More affirmation that FSU isn't even a candidate for the SEC.
That means both the ACC and the SEC are out. USF is truly boned.
We may find shelter in a Big 12 / Big East Merger, but that will only last until the B1G and SEC go to 16. It might be a few years, but unless a miracle happens USF is toast. The same goes for Louisville and Ciny.
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Any port in a storm.
It looks like the Pac-16 scenario is going to happen, which means the remaindered Big XII is even deader than the remaindered Big East. The two leagues pretty much have to merge to remain a BCS entity.
Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, and USF join the Big XII as full members. UConn and Rutgers as football-only. Maybe Villanova, but I doubt they move up after what’s happened. That’s 11 teams. No need to add any more. Yet.
Big East football ceases to exist, which I’m sure is just fine with everyone at this point.
The number of BCS conferences drops to 5. A new BCS at-large opening is created, making 5 of those. Or the Mountain West gets one, which creates a whole new dynamic.
The league exists as a marriage of convenience until the Big Ten, SEC, and ACC start expanding again. Missouri will end up in the Big Ten. UConn will go to the ACC. Each league will also add a second team. All at some point in the future. When this happens, THEN the new league starts adding the Houstons of the world. Not now.
I think a merged league is better for all concerned than a separate Big East and Big XII adding a bunch of C-USA schools.
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You left out West Virginia
who is not in the SEC as of yet. Or ever, who knows?
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by Jamie DeVriend on Sep 20, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming that at this point.
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Big 12
If OU, OSU, UT, and TTU stays
Along with Iowa State, Mizzou, K State, Kansas, Baylor
I would like to see us add
USC, UCF, Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, Tulane, Colorado State
Can we realistically merge with the remnants of the Big 12, given the geographic disparity?
Travel costs will skyrocket, that’s for certain.
A more sensible approach is to chew up C-USA and Sun Belt between the two of the remaining BCS conferences and try to maintain the 6-conference BCS deal. That also depends on if the Big 10 (or whatever they call themselves) don’t raid for Iowa St., Louisville and Cincy.
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1. I don’t think the BCS will buy a separate Big XII and Big East with half of C-USA promoted to each league. If that happened I think they’d look to the MWC for an automatic qualifier. If nothing else they’ve got Boise State. And they could probably get TCU back if it benefitted both parties.
2. The travel costs wouldn’t be much worse than the Big East. Lesser leagues like C-USA and the WAC have greater geographic disparity.
3. The Big 10’s not going for Iowa State, Louisville, or Cincinnati. Missouri, yes, and surely some other team to make it 14.
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the only problem with the Big 12 and Big East survivors raiding the likes of C-USA and Sun Belt and WAC and others
will be the argument from the superconferences of the PAC, SEC, ACC and Big10 that the quality of teams will be diluted. Well I say to that, “Screw you, greedheads. We’re still Division 1 schools, and we’re not gonna get squeezed out of playing for the national titles!”
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Well for USF the travel costs wouldn't really be any different.
Once you’re taking plane trips to ever road game / sporting event what’s the difference how far it flies?
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by Leavitt Town on Sep 19, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If the doomsday scenario unfolds
however many teams are left in the Big XII might be impressed upon to invite Cincinnati, Louisville, and USF to avoid a massive (and for once, merited) lawsuit. This isn’t about collecting exit fees, this would be a lot bigger than that.
This is how the BCS has reacted in the past. When someone threatens to blow the whole thing up, they buy off the aggrieved parties with access. This is why I think TCU ends up back in the Mountain West and they get the autobid that the nonexistent Big East will give up.
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With 16 team conferences the cap of 2 BCS slots per conference is soon to be over.
Hopefully the remnants of the Big 12 and Big East can take one, but the other isn’t going to another conference. It will be an at large going to one of the 16 team power conferences.
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by Leavitt Town on Sep 19, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubting
Any stories that indicate USF being left out of some Big East/Big 12 merger — no way the league presidents would agree, especially since they’re the more attractive Florida commodity when compared to UCF.
For what it’s worth, as a Syracuse fan, I’m sorry you guys could potentially get screwed in this whole thing. I know that we acted in our best interests — which was completely understandable — but just sucks to see so many other institutions’ fates hanging in the balance now. If it were up to me, you guys would have an invite to the ACC right now.
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Is there any evidence Pitt sabotaged that Big East TV deal with malice aforethought?
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No, but I think its worth looking into.
And to be fair they weren’t the only ones involved in that decision.
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Reports now that Pac-12 won't expand further has an affect on Big 12 and thus Big East
This combined with the fact that it’s looking like West Virginia won’t be gobbled up by the SEC or ACC may mean a version of the Big East football conference will survive.
Along with adding Navy (and possibly Army) to the mix, is the Big East in better shape today than yesterday…?
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Apart from being terribly disjointed and fractured, I'd say we're about the same.
The Big 12 announced they’d add 1 to bring them back up to 10. Hopefully that’s BYU.
The unfortunate news is that It’s looking like the SEC is eyeballing Missouri. Meaning the Big 12 will have to add another and the reports are it’s between WVU and Louisville.
IMO it’s time for ND to step up to the plate and save the conference or get out. Get in a ND and raise the buy outs to outrageous levels so teams can’t be poached. With out a home run like ND, the buy out wont change because no one will vote for them b/c they’d still want out.
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by Leavitt Town on Sep 21, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so stuck in thinking geographic sensibility for conferences I can't imagine WVU joining the Big 12...
Even Louisville just seems a bit out of the way for them…
I agree this is time to get on Notre Dame’s case and have them commit to a conference one way or another. Although if Texas goes it alone, I suppose ND would continue to do so…
To be fair, if the Big 12 goes after WVU I’d trade them TCU to keep West Virginia and maintain some g-ddamn geographic cohesion to our conferences.
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I think that's the problem
They don’t want TCU. Take a look at their number one option, BYU. They’re as far out of the conference as WVU.
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by Leavitt Town on Sep 22, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Andy chace the Big XII looks to go back to 12 teams?
Texas, TT, OU, Oak St, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, KST,
Lets say Missouri goes to the SEC and Rutgers and UConn end up in the ACC.
So this leaves the Big East for dead and the Big XII would need four schools to get to 12.
Louisville, WVU, USF, TCU – the left over BE schools – would give them 12 teams.
That could happen, right?
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by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Sep 22, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
*Any chance
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by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Sep 22, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Cincy
I guess TCU could say in the MWC and Cincy could be added to this.
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by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Sep 22, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but not in the short term.
It will take several years for the Big Ten to get around to adding Missouri, the ACC to go from 14 to 16, etc. Once all that happens we could see a merged Big East/Big XII with Big East football ceasing to exist.
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If the Big 12 was even interested in one, they wouldn't take both.
It’s the same reason UCF hasn’t had an honest shot at the Big East. Sure the Orlando market is big, but USF essentially covers it. Sure UCF is getting a little #genshafted, but it’s not just USF keeping out UCF.
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by Leavitt Town on Sep 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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