Position Paper: Why I Greatly Dislike the Florida Gators
This is a difficult piece to write without sounding bitter or jealous. Let's face it, our neighbors to the north have been the standard for intercollegiate athletic success for a long time now. On the field, they've won three football national championships, two more in men's basketball, and enough Olympic sport and SEC titles that Jeremy Foley should probably put an in-house jeweler on staff for the rings. Their fundraising arm, the University Athletic Association, donated over $8.5 million last year to the general scholarship fund of the university. UF is one of the few major programs where athletics truly does benefit academics directly. And their student athletic fee is a minute fraction of what USF's is, so the right people (donors, TV contracts, ticket sales) are paying the freight for their nine-figure athletics budget.
They've also done it without the taint of scandal. Despite being the most successful school in terms of revenue sports championships over the last 15 years, they've managed to mostly steer clear of the NCAA so far. And unless Chris Rainey is allowed to give a press conference every day, they'll probably stay wide of that for a while.
Is there some little brother syndrome involved in my dislike? Absolutely. It's hard to admit that, but it's true. In 2002 I went to the O'Connell Center three times in three days, as USF Volleyball was in the NCAA Tournament Friday and Saturday, and men's basketball played the Gators on Sunday. We beat FSU on Friday in volleyball, but lost a four setter to end a great season to an eventual Final Four UF volleyball team. We then got worked by Billy Donovan the next day, with our USF allocated seats far in the upper deck. But what doesn't stand out was the end of a great season and a great match, but what happened in the stands during that volleyball loss.
As we're down two sets to none on Saturday night, we noticed something the Gator student section had written on a whiteboard. They were writing random things on it throughout the match to bait our fans and players, doing what good fan bases do. But the one that stood out, and still rips at my soul, was this one:
"RIVALS WIN SOMETIMES."
There is simply no response to that. Unless you're the former USF student-athlete that was sitting next to me and had more than a few beverages before the match. In which case you run into the Gator student section, steal the whiteboard, take off running, then break it over your knee before you get kicked out of the O-Dome.
And that's the problem. I don't want petty violence and stupidity to rule. I just want to win fair and square. You can belabor the inherent advantages Florida has over USF in every measurable category of intercollegiate athletics (budget, facilities, history, generations of invested alumni, rings), and they are numerous. But until you do something about it on the field, there is no comeback. This isn't the Premiership, where Blackpool is just happy avoiding relegation. It is the stated mission of USF Athletics to compete for conference and national championships. To get to that point, we're going to have to go through Gainesville a significant portion of the time. And so far, our record in that department has been wanting. Justifiably so considering the difference in history and funding, but still... these are tough numbers to see:
Men's basketball - 5-17 all-time against UF (teams have not played since 2002)
Women's basketball - 5-30 all-time (last USF win was in the 2005 WNIT)
Baseball - 22-49
Softball - 11-30
Women's soccer - 0-3, though USF did win an exhibition match this year
Volleyball - 3-30
Men's tennis - 3-40
Women's tennis - 1-47
That's a total of 50-246, or a combined winning percentage of 16.9%. Yikes.
We've got a lot of catching up to do, and that sucks. And this type of catching up doesn't take seasons, but generations. The plus side is it's nice having the benchmark for where you want to get to be just two hours north on I-75. So yes, they are the big brother and we the little one. But I have no doubt that we will continue to level the playing field over my lifetime. Though as it stands now, we are what we are, and they are what they are.
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But jealousy isn't the reason for my great dislike of everything orange and blue. It's the arrogance. The unrelenting, unfettered arrogance. Not necessarily from the alumni, as most that any of us know are pretty nice people. They might be a bit full of themselves regarding their alma mater's athletic accomplishments, but that I can't begrudge. If we had that resume, I'd be shouting it from the rooftops as well.
Instead, it's the Daywalkers that irritate me. They've adopted the university as their own simply because of the name and the state of residence of birth. The bar is set pretty low for being a Florida fan. Be born in a state full of enough crazy people that Carl Hiassen became a multi-millionaire documenting them, and declare your superiority to all comers by simply yelling, "IF YOU AIN'T A GATOR, YER GATOR BAIT! WOOOOOOO!!!"
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Don't give me that "this is cognitive bias" argument, either. As a rule, the less time you've actually spent in a classroom is directly proportional to the increased likelihood your being a Gator fan. I of course can't prove this with data, but rather the decades of experience living in this weird, quirky, and beautiful state I call home. And let me say that it's not just Jort Nation that makes me want to drive into oncoming traffic. Our friends at Da U have the same problem with Miami-Dade residents. It happens everywhere. But I'd argue it's probably worse with the Gators than any team outside of the Crimson Tide. What Notre Dame calls its "subway alumni", Florida should refer to as its "Maury/Jerry/Tyra alumni."
To be fair, we have our idiots as well. Check our message boards. Plenty of morons crapping in their hand and flinging in any direction just trying to see what sticks. (A fate we're sworn to avoid here.) But per capita, I'd argue our fan base is certainly more informed and less ridiculous. I think that's because if you root for USF, you're more likely an alumnus, a student, or a parent of one. There's a tie to the university that filters out some, but certainly not all, of the white noise.
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It's pretty easy to be a Gator fan, too. They don't lose very much. They give you lots of points of pride. But just like it's pretty annoying to see LeBron James, born and raised in Akron, be a Yankee fan for no other reason than they win a lot, it's just as disturbing to see so many people harboring allegiance to UF simply because they win. I'm not saying fandom should be hard, but picking your favorite team for no other reason but you want to root for whomever the likely victor is seems pretty shallow to me. As USF has grown, we've actually started to have a few of these types pop up around us as well. Though no program can grow without them, they're pretty awful to have to tolerate. And Jort Nation (a separate entity from Gator Nation, to be sure) is just terminally awful to deal with in this state, with their insufferable arrogance being their biggest crime against humanity.
Sometimes that arrogance can extend to the teams as well. Urban cursing out a reporter for accurately, though out of context, quoting Deonte Thompson is just the latest example. Don't like what is said about your program at a public university? No problem. Kick the media out of practice, and hire your own in-house reporter -- who coincidentally was hired away from the USF beat for the Tampa Tribune, where he did a fine job -- to cover your team as you see fit. Don't like the paradigm? Change it without consequence. That isn't the way it should be.
There's also the legislative cabal doing everything they can to keep a school in the middle of Nowhere, Florida, as the state's "flagship" school. They have tried to codify this on multiple occasions, almost guaranteeing that state education funds aren't allocated based on merit, but rather a preset formula that will act as a ceiling on other state schools that might excel, and thus assuring the largest piece of the pie. My alma mater is one of those schools, and probably the one most likely affected by that decision. As those that follow the higher education politics of this state know, the system of funding and governance has changed frequently, and will change again over the next years and governors' terms. But the built-in system of consistent funding and power grabs for Tallahassee and Gainesville is really difficult to watch, especially when a school like USF has all the resources and facilities in place to continue to narrow the gap with a fair funding fight. Yes, the system is the system. But this isn't the way it should be.
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There is also one perception that continues to stick in my craw, though it is one that lessens every day. That's the belief that Gainesville is a better place to attend college as an undergraduate than Tampa. I've often said that happiness is Archer Road in your rear view mirror, and that's because our state's most well-known school sits in a cultural wasteland. Granted it's a great place to party, and I've done my fair share of it there. But if doing something that occasionally does not involve getting hammered is more your speed, Gainesville is certainly not your destination of choice.
So the arrogance of Gator Nation that UF is better place to attend college is something I'll never understand. For a much fuller academic and social experience, give me SoHo, TBPAC, Channelside, St. Pete's waterfront, Clearwater Beach and Siesta Key, Boliche Boulevard, and even Ybor City (daytime only -- I'm not that delusional). I got a world-class, Research I education in a wonderful city. The "Drive Thru U" reputation of USF has been justifiably dead for over a decade. We're an outstanding school to attend as an undergraduate, and the social side has caught up with the campus culture anywhere.
I'll put our bars on college nights and our fraternity parties up against anything you'll see at UF. But the difference is at USF, you can do your internship and take classes at the same time, because there are real businesses here that need real help. You can head to class during the day, then a college night at a Rays or Lightning game in the evening. You can get elegantly wasted in the parking lot at Ray Jay for a home football game with your girl, then take her to Bern's the next night and have a five-star dinner to apologize for getting that sloppy. It's the best of both worlds. And as more and more graduating high school seniors realize this, the gap between USF and UF will continue to shrink. But because these things take time, the perception hasn't caught up to the reality.
Before I get flamed, you're absolutely right. I didn't have the grades or the athletic talent to attend UF out of high school. I went to USF, then did a few community college classes, and transferred back to USF before I earned my A.A. degree, and eventually my B.A. And just like every other A.A. recipient in the state of Florida at that time, I could have attended UF. I actually thought about it for about 10 seconds. But I knew I was in on the ground floor of a penny stock. I knew we would get there one day, and I'd rather be a part of building traditions than carrying them on (something I'm proud to say I got to do).
That's not a slam. UF does a wonderful job of carrying the past forward. But maybe the masochist in me would rather climb the mountain than have the helicopter drop me off on the summit. It just means that much more when you get there.
It might not be this week, or this year, or even this decade. But we will get there. And if the glory in the fight and struggle doesn't make sense to you, then maybe USF isn't your school. The size of the gap we've already closed is enormous, and done at relative lightning speed. Our builders went to Auburn, and that roar still rings in our ears. The passionate went to FSU, and showed that the future is now. If you're a builder, join us. If you have a passion for working to create greatness where none previously existed, get on our team. If you dream big, think big, and are willing to stick it out when times are tough because you know that the light at the end of the tunnel is brighter than the flashlight that will ever be handed to you, become a Bull.
Don't get in the helicopter. Climb the mountain.
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Nice read!
Collin, Have you looked into any openings in USF’s undergraduate recruiting department?
What, so I can share my undergrad experience with the incoming class?
Skip lots of class, party too much, damn near get kicked out, and take too long to graduate doesn’t sound like the message the beloved alma mater wants to convey to future enrollees. But hey, have their people call my people. :)
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by Collin Sherwin on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could contribute something more then 'this is a good read', but you really packaged everything up nicely. Really nice piece of writing.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good read because you put some actual thought into the subject.
Its like taking what I think and adding class.
Good stuff.
"I'd rather be a part of building traditions than carrying them on"
Herehere.
by Bull_Gator on Sep 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can't see the forest for the trees1
I have to admit you thought this one out very well. Too well, if you ask me. I really hope this venting helped you progress through your feelings of inadequacy.
Any person reading this with half a brain can see that you are not really objecting to what Gator Nation does, just that you want to do it too, and you can’t.
And yes, Gainesville is a great place to go to school. It is people like you that only come to party, throw up next to your car, or on yourself, and then wander back home to that god forsaken peace of realty in the Left coast of Florida known as Tampa. Tampa is Miami, without the attractive sights, models, and things to do. You would have done better to attack the U, who as you identify briefly in your rant, suffers from the same malady you ascribe to UF, but without a significant victory in 7 years. That’s dellusional.
I’m sure USF is a great school, and your loyalty is admirable, but please seek help. you obviously have a talent for writing and I’d hate for you to drive into oncoming traffic as a result of your neurosis.
Have a great day and don’t forget to take your medicine.
So you're saying it's OK for your jorts-wearing constituency
to act the way they act because the Gators have more recent success than Miami? The point is that all those kinds of fans annoy us (even our own) and we don’t really like any of them. Winning doesn’t have a whole lot to do with that. Jerks are jerks.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Sep 8, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I love trolls who come out of the woodwork from nowhere, and join a blog that has nothing to do with their rooting interests solely and exclusively to make one inflammatory comment.
Seriously Carlos. There’s nobody here to even troll yet. Your commitment to trolling is as admirable as Voodoo 5’s commitment to this blog, but it’s fans like you that give me the continued hint of hope that USF wins outright, just so I can rub it in your face like I did to FSU fans last year.
Auburn thought like you do, right up until USF punched them square in the mouth. USF is not afraid of the SEC.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You have hands down the best handle on the site
Maybe on the whole network
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I got my brother (UF alumni and obvious fan) to read it.
He didn’t say you were full of shit, so it’d take that as high praise.
Also
You hit the nail on the head in regards to how easy it is to be a bandwagon gator fan. My uncle is so annoying : the biggest super fan. He has season tickets (which are not cheap) and has never stepped foot in a UF classroom or lived in Gainesville. Where does that come from?
I was at the FSU game, and it felt awesome not only to win but to shut up the naysayers. Funny thing is, FSU fans were actually pretty civil and I didn’t hear too many excuses for the loss afterwards. FSU and USF students partied together and there were no fights that I know of. I anticipate a different animal with the gator nation if ,for some reason, the Bulls can pull this off. I feel like time of possession and a few splash plays goes a long way, just as it did in Tallahassee last year.
One problem with the premise of the piece
You keep saying big brother/little brother. One problem, you guys are more like the retarded cousin.
by yourgatoroverlord on Sep 9, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
Nah, the Sun Belt twins are the retarded cousins.
It’s more like having a younger brother who’s 15 years younger than you. I’m in my 30s now, and my youngest brother just started high school. He’ll eventually close the gap on what I’ve accomplished, but it’s going to take awhile, and right now it’s obviously not even close.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Sep 9, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
mark my words florida will lose three games this year and won't even win their division in the sec.
when you play like that vs the 120th ranked fbs team your in trouble. p.s. there are only 120 fbs teams.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicely done.
I take exception to the bit about G’ville not being a good place to spend your college years, but whatever. Well written and good points made.
What I've learned from blogging at sbnation is everybody thinks other teams fans suck.
Us Gator fans think FSU fans suck
You apparently think UF fans suck
FSU fans hate UF fans
Miami fans hate FSU and UF
And it is this way in every other state, and in pro sports as well but not as bad. Everyone has their own excuse on why the other teams fans suck, and its funny how creative they get but it’s really just all the same crap.
Don’t blame the Gators for band wagon fans, Tampa bay is the problem. Look at the rays. Sure we have our country " redneck" fans but we are in gainsville, what do you expect?!
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
As somone who attended both USF and UF
I agree with some of your points, but I think you are way off on others. You talk about closing the gap and becoming as successful, but then blame UF for the bandwagon fans. I hate to break it to you, but if USF started winning titles, they would have just as many, if not more, bandwagon fans who have never attended the school. To characterize the fanbase by the morons who are the loudest is not accurate. Just like everyone that likes Tennessee or Alabama is not a 3-toothed yokel, it just seems that way.
Alums of UF like myself (started in 2000) have a much different attitude than the current students though. The current students have no idea what it was like to have Ron Zook as their coach, or have multiple flame outs in the NCAA tournament. All they know is championships, and they have become cocky and complacent because of it. It’s really no different from the FSU or Miami fans in the late 90’s, though. Success brings these things regardless of where you are.
As for your point about Gainesville vs Tampa, I think Gainesville has much more than you give it credit for. Gainesville has great local bars and restaurants due to its size. Tampa does have all those things you mentioned, but unfortunately they aren’t actually IN Tampa. Clearwater Beach is almost an hour drive (I know because I commuted from Clearwater for a semester). It sounds great on paper when you list all the things you can do if your school is in a big city, but it’s still missing something. The great thing about Gainesville, or any smaller college town, is that everyone there is a Gator fan. Gameday is Gainesville is an full on event. In a big city, there is so much to do, so much going on all the time, that the game, and the school get lost in the shuffle. Gainesville is Gator Country all the time. It’s annoying for someone who isn’t a Gator, but for those of us that are, it’s amazing.
I had a great time attending USF, but the experience does not even begin to compare to spending your college years in Gainesville. The buzz on campus the Friday before a game is palpable. I just didn’t get that feeling at USF, even when they were ranked #2 in the country.
One day, I am sure that USF will get there. There is too much talent in Florida for it not to happen. And as USF becomes more of a college destination for high school grads, and not for people continuing their education, I’m sure the feeling around campus will change as well.
I hope that USF continues to grow and I hope that they can start winning Big East championships, because I can’t stand the rest of the teams in that conference. And I hope that one day soon, someone writes a post about how much they hate USF for their bandwagon fans and their championships. As everyone knows, if other teams hate you it probably means you are doing pretty well.
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