Final USF-Miami Thoughts, Plus Who Should Start At QB?
USF has made its name in college football partly by pulling off surpri sing wins. I hate calling them upsets because when they keep happening over and over again, eventually they stop being upsets. That said, I would definitely put this win in the "upset" category.
Consider the huge talent advantage Miami has. Then remember that the advantage actually got bigger as the game went on. (Three of USF's best offensive players left -- B.J. Daniels, Mo Plancher, and Sampson Genus -- while Miami put Jacory Harris back out on the field once the Hurricanes fell behind 10-0.) Actually, just consider that B.J. Daniels left the game. I mean, what kind of odds could I have been given that Bobby Eveld, a walk-on true freshman quarterback with absolutely zero game experience outside of mop-up duty, would adequately move the ball against the Miami defense and direct a game-tying 80-yard touchdown drive in the last five minutes of regulation. Hey, no pressure kid, you have to get a touchdown, and oh yeah, this game only means the world for the program.
Other than the surprise of USF pulling out a win -- really, any win -- under those circumstances, there isn't as much to write about the actual game as I was expecting. The Bulls were clearly better coached, they were outstanding on defense, they didn't make any stupid mistakes, and they caught a couple of breaks (Daniels' horrible throw that Kevin Gidrey broke up to prevent a coast-to-coast INT*, Damien Berry's fumble out of the end zone, and Eveld's non-safety). This wasn't a theft. USF deserved to win the game. And it's totally understandable why Miami would freak out and fire everyone not long afterwards.
So the only remaining question is, who starts at quarterback this Saturday if Daniels and Eveld are both able to play? After the jump we'll try and figure out who would be the better fit.
* - This was the play of the season so far and I feel like it was immediately forgotten after it happened. I'm pretty sure that Ryan Hill has enough open field to take that one back for a score if Gidrey doesn't get his hand in there and rip the ball out. That was the difference between going into halftime down 7-0 with no momentum, and being up 3-0 and feeling like you can win.
(First of all, let's note that Daniels did not practice Sunday night, and according to Adam Adkins of the Tribune, he's going to undergo some more tests on Monday, including an MRI. This exercise assumes both players are healthy and is obviously null and void if Daniels is anything more than merely dinged up.)
Let's present the case for both Bobby Eveld and B.J. Daniels.
BOBBY EVELD
PROS: May be better suited to run a standard offense based on how we've seen Daniels handle the transition this season. Accurate on short passes and takes care of the ball. Gives the offense more options in the passing game.
CONS: Not very fast, which eliminates various zone reads and options since he's not a threat to run the ball. Unsure how well he throws down the field because we haven't seen him do it much. Had the element of surprise going for him in Miami, but UConn will have a little bit of film to work with.
B.J. DANIELS
PROS: More mobile, assuming he's healthy. Opens up the entire running playbook for a team that likes to rely on the running game. Still has a bazooka arm for play action and throwing deep. Has started every game this season.
CONS: Still struggling to make the right reads and accurate throws. Will make terrible decisions every now and again. Might be healthy enough to play, but not healthy enough to be fully effective.
Personally I would go with Daniels if he's healthy. I think for this particular game, his benefits are more useful than Eveld's. Remember last year, Daniels ran all over the place in the snow against the Huskies, and he would be at least as athletic as anyone on their defense. Even though he still has some issues when he drops back to throw, they've subsided noticeably since the start of conference play, and he's better suited to go after UConn's weak defensive backfield with his stronger arm. If I knew Eveld could get the ball 50 yards down the field, though, it might change my mind some.
What do you all think? Use this handy-dandy poll and the comments to state your case, or say anything else that comes to mind.
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Hmm...
For what its worth, I say leave B.J. in until he gets dinged up, pull him, then put him back when hes not. Let him continue to get comfortable playing his way. Eveld will get his snaps in time.
If Daniels is anything less than 90%, I'd say start Eveld.
Otherwise, I would want Daniels to start.
by Stephen Dedalus on Nov 29, 2010 3:23 AM EST reply actions
For all the miscues Daniels had this year, he's still the more experienced player
It does depend on his leg injury. If he’s still hobbling about by Thursday, better get Eveld primary reps and get him ready.
Also, I can’t pronounce Eveld for some reason. I keep wanting to call him Elvis. Curse you, Mojo Nixon!
The 2010 Bucs: Considering their two-minute offense works wonders... Why can't EVERY offensive drive be run like that during the other 58 minutes of the damn game?!
If you don't know Mojo Nixon
then your store could use some fixin’!
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I saw some scouting video of Eveld that he had provided to colleges trying to get on scholarship.
His arm was only good for about 40 yards then. That’s not to say that he hasn’t improved his strength as I would expect someone of his age would do while riding the pine, but it’s noteworthy and the reason why I wouldn’t start him unless Daniels was completely immobile.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious...
Would it be stupid to use BJ in a wildcat formation? And use Eveld for short slants and comebacks? IDK but it seems we could use both these qb’s in what they excell in.
If they insist on having a pocket passer
Then Eveld. I’m not saying he’s the better QB but if they wont let BJ run (100% or no) then they are taking away what makes him effective. If Mike Vick tries to turn into a pure pocket passer then he’s no better than Jake Delhomme- same for BJ- his effectiveness is in that teams (were) forced to spy on him and account for him on all plays. With him scrambling less and using his “talent” (term used loosely) in the pocket, then he is likely less effective than Eveld.
But now that you know you have at least a capable backup, there is no reason not to turn BJ loose a little and not be terrified of the ramification of him getting injured.
Saying Daniels "will make terrible decisions every now and again"
seems like an understatement to me. He’s about as bad at making reads as any quarterback I’ve ever seen. That said, I just have no idea whether Eveld is actually any better, once you take into account the large talent gap.
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He's good for about one howler a game
This is still better than against Syracuse and West Virginia when he was good for at least three.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Nov 29, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
But even when it's not egregious, it seems like it's almost random whether he throws to the right person
I really feel like he knows who he’s throwing to before he even takes the snap and has no ability to adjust, other than deciding whether he’ll run or throw.
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Pretty sure this poll's results mark the first time this blog has ever made me want to shoot myself. Good job overreacting everyone, because now I feel the need to do so too.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well, we had a good run.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Nov 29, 2010 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It only took 8 1/2 months
Shocked it was that long
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by Ken DeCelles on Nov 29, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's how I feel.
I mean, if we were 5-7 and BJ was throwing 2, 3 picks a game, then yeah I’d probably feel different. But to throw him on the bench because he had 2 bad games where he was clearly a gimp is not my idea of developing a player. He has to work on his accuracy; I’d really like to see him get some work with Josh Freeman during the offseason seeing how well he’s progressed in one year, possibly getting a hand from whomever helped him. At the same time, I’d also like to see Skip Holtz make some changes to his playbook to better take advantage of his mobility.
I understand why Holtz yanked all of the rollout passes and bootlegs seeing how terrible Daniels was throwing on the move earlier this year, but if BJ’s going to be successful as a QB in this offense, either he’s going to have to be a deadly-accurate passer capable of slicing up defenses like Peyton Manning, or he’s going to have to be able to roll out and be a threat to run and force defenses into lapsing their coverage. I have much more faith in him doing the latter than the former.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got a lot of raw ability.
Honestly, I think he might have better ability on the move. Even passing. But he just doesn’t see the field very well sometimes. That will improve with some coaching and another year in the scheme. This is Holtz’s first year, I didn’t imagine the offense would be doing great. And this is all happening minus the top receivers.
He doesn’t seem like a typical pocket passer, his abilities are wasted in that capacity. But his leg severely limited his movement and ability to plant his leg on some of the throws. At least that’s what I thought watching the game. If he’s going to be like that on Saturday, I’d still give him a shot. But if he’s struggling after the 1st quarter I’d change up to Eveld.
Congrats on a nice win!
Wouldn’t you want to stay with BJ, assuming both are healthy? Is Eveld ready to take the full load of prep, pregame buildup and execution against a highly motivated UConn team? He’s pretty young, right? Just a thought…
Well the Q is who should start next week
not who should be made permanent starter. Eveld looks like USF’s version of Noah Brindise, a guy who’s more of a game manager, but not somebody who’s ever going to take over a game. But until Canales 0.5 figures out how to use BJ, since his game has signicantly regressed this season, I’d choose the lesser evil. If healthy, and if Fitch is willing to use BJ in the run game to help setup the pass, then I’d say BJ. But they’ve only really done that in the Cincy game and the 1st quarter of the UF game so far this season, so I see no reason why they’d start now.
Why not both?
Daniels is obviously the more dynamic player when healthy, but that’s a big caveat. I say, make the opposing defense deal with both of them, and prepare for their different skill sets.
Remember last year, Daniels ran all over the place in the snow against the Huskies
Remember last year when Daniels ran? The best part of his game has been taken away, and he cannot throw to save his life. Yet, he is the superior talent, and you have to start him if he’s healthy.
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