I Award Us No Points, And May God Have Mercy On Our Souls: Pittsburgh 17, USF 10
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. A brutal game, made more brutal by two things:
1. The nagging suspicion that Wannstache might have actually outcoached us, or at least coached to a standoff. Either one, based on what we know about his and Skip Holtz's coaching abilities, is just unspeakably depressing.
2. UConn pasting Syracuse tonight. Which means if Pittsburgh loses to West Virginia next Friday, that USF-UConn game could have been for all the marbles.
Let's just get right to the last two minutes of the game, which everyone messed up to some degree. First, I don't know why Holtz didn't call all three timeouts on defense. If you're trying to save the maximum amount of time on the clock, you have to take them on defense. For obvious reasons -- when you're in the hurry-up offense, you don't take 40 seconds to snap the ball. The other team, when trying to run out the clock, will take as close to 40 seconds as humanly possible to snap the ball. It probably cost USF about 20-25 seconds off the end of the game.
Not that the offense really used the time that was left on the clock very wisely. I know it's pretty fashionable to pile on B.J. Daniels right now, but he really did have some help messing that two-minute drill up.
- From where we all were sitting, we were shocked Dontavia Bogan was called down in bounds after Daniels threw him the ball on the second play of the drive. Obviously everyone on the team was shocked too because the Bulls were in no hurry to get back to the line of scrimmage and run another play. A good 15-20 seconds came off the clock before anyone figured out they needed to snap the ball quickly.
- Second, I really didn't like the play calling on that drive. Everything was either deep down the field (where Pittsburgh was waiting in basically a prevent) or really short checkdowns. I thought they were trying to get too much at a time, and when that wasn't there, all they could do was throw passes with no hope of a first down and really no hope of getting out of bounds, either.
- On the other hand, when B.J. Daniels threw that horrible checkdown to Faron Hornes that was stopped at the line of scrimmage and forced USF to take its timeout, Daniels can't do that. That's when it's OK to force a ball down the field because there are only 20 seconds left in the game. USF fans are pretty good about not booing anything other than officials, or maybe an opponent getting away with trash talk or a late hit. But there was a LOT of booing after that play was over.
- Finally, I don't know what Daniels was doing on the last play of the game. That has to go to the end zone no matter what. You can't throw a 25-yard pass up the sideline.
I'm uncomfortable making a lot of other big statements without being able to watch it again, but to me that game is why I say over and over again that winning close games is not necessarily a skill, and it's definitely not something you want to depend on doing. USF planned to keep it close until the end, and the game basically came down to about a half-dozen plays. Pittsburgh made them, the Bulls didn't, ballgame.
P.S. I'm really hoping for Birmingham, not because it's a beautiful and exciting place to play a bowl game, but because the Bulls would get three extra weeks of practice that they wouldn't get playing in St. Petersburg.
P.P.S. I thought we had 40,000-some students at USF. If TCU and their 9,000 students end up joining the league, they'll feel right at home when they see how many students showed up to today's game. Nearly every empty seat in that picture is in the student section, and there were a lot more that didn't fit in the frame. Horrible.
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It's been only like that the last two games in the student section.
However, last game was a Wednesday night and this was a noon game. I could only imagine that there were not a lot there because of work, maybe?
I can’t wait to see the drive chart. It seemed like we would consistantly get to mid-field and than have to punt the ball away. Also it seemed like a CLEAR mismatch on bogan, so why didn’t we go his way more often?
Thoughts?
I don't think 34,000 students had to work Saturday
We will have the Drive Charts up ASAP. There is a glitch in the code this morning.
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by Ken DeCelles on Nov 21, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
He actually had about 10 or 12 targets.
His numbers look bad because Pittsburgh took FOUR pass interference penalties to keep him from making big catches.
(Side note, if the NFL pass interference penalty was in place yesterday and they were spot fouls instead of 15-yard penalties, USF wins. I’m absolutely convinced of it.)
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by Jamie DeVriend on Nov 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wannstache might have actually outcoached us?
I don’t think so. It was like watching a chess endgame where white has four more pieces than black. It doesn’t take a grandmaster to win with superior material.
Once Pitt figured out BJ Daniels wasn’t an outside running threat, they kept him in the pocket. That forced USF to either run the ball inside, which plays to Pitt’s defensive strengths, or have Daniels make plays, which he wasn’t physically able to do.
It’s 20/20 hindsight, but I wonder what would have happened if they’d stuck Eveld in the game, just to make Pitt deal with something unexpected. Or line up Lindsey Lamar in the wildcat. That they didn’t try anything like this, in a game of this importance, reveals that USF’s offense has no such contingency plan.
I think the offensive coaches have a minimum threshold
of competence before they’ll willingly put someone or something into the game plan. Remember back in August when someone asked, I think it was Holtz if there was a Wildcat package in the playbook and he said “not this year”, which seemed to allude to them trying it out next year with Dontae Aycock taking the snaps. (Aycock played QB at Chamberlain.)
Also I think Lamar is way too small to be a Wildcat QB. Even when Brian Fisher was playing quarterback in 2003, he was more of an option/spread player than a wildcat. Lamar would take too many hits and he’s way too valuable as a kick returner right now.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Nov 21, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Those were just examples.
The larger point was that USF’s offense had no choice but to stick with the game plan, even when it was obviously not working. And if our #2 QB doesn’t reach the minimum threshold of competence… oh boy.
The depth at QB was not well managed leading up to this year.
No matter who was coaching or recruiting, there would have been a pile of freshmen and sophomores under center this year. But this position needs immediate attention. Peter Vaas has some work to do between now and next September… not just on Daniels’ backups, but on Daniels himself.
As for the game plan itself, that was probably the first time this year I haven’t been pleased with the strategy. Thought there needed to be more counters and misdirections, and maybe some shotgun/option running – something to make their defense stretch horizontally and open up run lanes. The reverse to T-Rex was a thing of beauty but it also proved that Pittsburgh was ripe to be set up by those kind of plays. It didn’t seem like that was exploited well.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Nov 21, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
This is all true.
But many teams find themselves lacking quarterback depth after a great long-term starter leaves. It’s tough to recruit a quality QB when the starter is as entrenched as Matt Grothe was, and BJ Daniels is already on board in the 08 recruiting class. Still, you have to have some kind of backup plan. Look what Florida’s done with Trey Burton and Jordan Reed once they realized John Brantley wasn’t the answer (and Cam Newton apparently didn’t want to wait around). You’d think USF would have somebody like that on the roster, someone who could at least run a few plays in certain packages.
As for the outside/option running… the TV coverage frequently mentioned that Daniels was playing hurt. I think that with Daniels not 100% USF just didn’t have the personnel to do it, and didn’t want to get BJ any more damaged by calling a bunch of option plays.
Remember when BJ used to run?
Its getting where opposing teams can tell early whether this is a game BJ is going to run or not, and they can start removing the ‘spy’ for him after a while. I get trying to get him to stay in the pocket a little more, but thats not Peyton Manning back there. Part of what made him special was the potential of making a big play with his feet. Good coaches can adapt their system to special players- you wouldnt run the triple option with Tom Brady, and you shouldnt treat BJ Daniels like an action figure that you are afraid to take out of the packaging. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt. I imagine theres someone else on the team that can go 6-14 for 74 yards a game.
Also did Mo Plancher piss on somebody’s corn flakes early in the game? He was getting 5-6 yards a pop on their 1st couple of drives, and then other than the 4th and 2, he was never to be seen again, leaving them with a backfield of Lindsey Lamar, who’s a great playmaker but he couldnt break the seal of a Caprisun, much less a tackle. And Murray, who had his moments but was by and large mediocre Saturday. I was wondering if they should have just gone ahead and given Plancher a Mike Ford jersey to wear as the “you’re too effective running so we’re gonna sit you down” player of the game.
We need a rule change re:pass interference
Anyone else suspect that Wannstedt specifically told his guys “hack em if they beat you?” You shouldn’t be able to gain an advantage through cheating, or rely on it as a strategy… someone needs to look at this.
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by delicious.crab on Nov 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions
Probably nothing new Stache invented
I’m guessing in college if a corner gets beat deep they probably do encourage them to just hold on for dear life. Most of those PI calls, however, were routes (someone else can determine fade/fly route) where BJ underthrew the receiver, and when they came back for the ball the DB just couldnt stop himself in time and made contact with the WR. Likely out of the however many were called only 1, maybe 2 would have been caught had the DB not interfered.
I was a tad disappointed at the turnout also, and I wish whoever owned the season tix right behind me would quit selling them on stubhub. I wanted to punch “douchey guy who was rooting for Pitt + the over/under, and making golf references about every play” – If you want to see golf then go play f***ing golf you bag of douche, nobody gives a shiz if USF winning messes up your stupid parlay.

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